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	<title>Comments on: In which I come out: Notes from the FTC Privacy Roundtable</title>
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		<title>By: Google Buzz, Social Norms and Privacy &#171; 33 Bits of Entropy</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Google Buzz, Social Norms and Privacy &#171; 33 Bits of Entropy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] norms in a detrimental way in order to meet their business objectives. This has become a recurring theme (c.f. the section on Facebook in that article). I don&#8217;t think there is any possibility of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] norms in a detrimental way in order to meet their business objectives. This has become a recurring theme (c.f. the section on Facebook in that article). I don&#8217;t think there is any possibility of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arvind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the note. You&#039;re right that the Facebook guy did straddle at one point, saying he wanted to agree with the Google and the LinkedIn representatives. However, I was referring to a different comment a little bit before that, where the Facebook guy did indeed say &quot;we absolutely compete on privacy.&quot; Of course, Wong may have also made a very similar comment; I don&#039;t remember one way or the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the note. You&#8217;re right that the Facebook guy did straddle at one point, saying he wanted to agree with the Google and the LinkedIn representatives. However, I was referring to a different comment a little bit before that, where the Facebook guy did indeed say &#8220;we absolutely compete on privacy.&#8221; Of course, Wong may have also made a very similar comment; I don&#8217;t remember one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: ginsu</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ginsu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Arvind, sorry for the late response - nice to see you &quot;out&quot; -

One possible correction to your notes:  I seem to recall it was Nicole Wong at Google who said &quot;We absolutely compete on privacy.&quot;  That was a bit of a contrast to the prior speaker, from LinkedIn, who said that their view of privacy was that it was a retention issue rather than customer-acquisition factor (i.e. bad privacy practices might cause them to lose customers).

Then the Facebook guy straddled, saying basically, &quot;I agree with both of them.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Arvind, sorry for the late response &#8211; nice to see you &#8220;out&#8221; -</p>
<p>One possible correction to your notes:  I seem to recall it was Nicole Wong at Google who said &#8220;We absolutely compete on privacy.&#8221;  That was a bit of a contrast to the prior speaker, from LinkedIn, who said that their view of privacy was that it was a retention issue rather than customer-acquisition factor (i.e. bad privacy practices might cause them to lose customers).</p>
<p>Then the Facebook guy straddled, saying basically, &#8220;I agree with both of them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Secret Life of Data &#171; 33 Bits of Entropy</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Secret Life of Data &#171; 33 Bits of Entropy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the recent FTC privacy roundtable, Scott Taylor of Hewlett Packard said his company regularly had the problem of not being able to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the interesting coverage. 

I think you are mostly right about the gap between privacy and privacy skeptics. Statements like &quot;You have zero privacy anyway&quot; are just a show of cluelessness. Nonetheless it is important to argue, and argue well, with the no-privacy-people, because it is foremost a problem of social agreement. (And many privacy enhancing techniques only work if a large part of society uses them.)

Resignation is to be avoided. Even if privacy where nonexistent wouldn&#039;t it be better to work toward it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting coverage. </p>
<p>I think you are mostly right about the gap between privacy and privacy skeptics. Statements like &#8220;You have zero privacy anyway&#8221; are just a show of cluelessness. Nonetheless it is important to argue, and argue well, with the no-privacy-people, because it is foremost a problem of social agreement. (And many privacy enhancing techniques only work if a large part of society uses them.)</p>
<p>Resignation is to be avoided. Even if privacy where nonexistent wouldn&#8217;t it be better to work toward it?</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arvind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s interesting. Thanks for letting me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting. Thanks for letting me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding whether pictures are deleted, Ars Technica has looked into this, as have I, and the answer is that for pictures that are public for even a minute, they don&#039;t ever seem to be deleted from Facebook. 

After the roundtable, I spoke with Tim Sparapani about his error, and pointed him to my research regarding deletion speeds of online pictures: http://michaeljaylissner.com/blog/testing-deletion-speed-of-online-photo-sites

So far, no response from him or Facebook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding whether pictures are deleted, Ars Technica has looked into this, as have I, and the answer is that for pictures that are public for even a minute, they don&#8217;t ever seem to be deleted from Facebook. </p>
<p>After the roundtable, I spoke with Tim Sparapani about his error, and pointed him to my research regarding deletion speeds of online pictures: <a href="http://michaeljaylissner.com/blog/testing-deletion-speed-of-online-photo-sites" rel="nofollow">http://michaeljaylissner.com/blog/testing-deletion-speed-of-online-photo-sites</a></p>
<p>So far, no response from him or Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arvind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for your first point, I agree, this is something I&#039;ve been planning to address in a future post: statistics like &quot;66% of users care about privacy&quot; are meaningless without specifying exactly what they will give up to protect that privacy.

As for the government mandating privacy, I totally disagree. Firstly I think it is unenforceable (as long as we are to have anything remotely resembling a free Internet). Secondly I don&#039;t think it would be a good idea. If a free and efficient market for privacy decides that privacy has little value -- say because social norms are indeed changing -- then having the government mandate privacy goes against the basic tenet of self-determination in a free society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for your first point, I agree, this is something I&#8217;ve been planning to address in a future post: statistics like &#8220;66% of users care about privacy&#8221; are meaningless without specifying exactly what they will give up to protect that privacy.</p>
<p>As for the government mandating privacy, I totally disagree. Firstly I think it is unenforceable (as long as we are to have anything remotely resembling a free Internet). Secondly I don&#8217;t think it would be a good idea. If a free and efficient market for privacy decides that privacy has little value &#8212; say because social norms are indeed changing &#8212; then having the government mandate privacy goes against the basic tenet of self-determination in a free society.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Katz</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Katz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure the general public cares about privacy...until they have to &quot;pay&quot; for it (whether monetarily, or by spending time, or losing out on the coolest new social medium, or whatever). People care about anonymous e-cash, too, and we know how far *that* business model went.

Now it could be that the government will impose privacy by default, without relying on the market. And maybe this would even be a good idea. But I don&#039;t see it happening. 

(These points are meant to be provocative, I look forward to your replies.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure the general public cares about privacy&#8230;until they have to &#8220;pay&#8221; for it (whether monetarily, or by spending time, or losing out on the coolest new social medium, or whatever). People care about anonymous e-cash, too, and we know how far *that* business model went.</p>
<p>Now it could be that the government will impose privacy by default, without relying on the market. And maybe this would even be a good idea. But I don&#8217;t see it happening. </p>
<p>(These points are meant to be provocative, I look forward to your replies.)</p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://33bits.org/2010/01/31/in-which-i-come-out-notes-from-the-ftc-privacy-roundtable/#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arvind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the pointer! Always interesting to compare things across the pond. I&#039;m surprised I hadn&#039;t come across your blog before.. subscribed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pointer! Always interesting to compare things across the pond. I&#8217;m surprised I hadn&#8217;t come across your blog before.. subscribed.</p>
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